Sorry for the lack of updates. Things are trotting along at a decent pace, but maybe not as fast as I had hoped. Sorry for keeping everyone waiting, and thanks for being patient. Here's a couple of screenshots of some new stuff:
1. I see that the M16 and the AK-47 are not in the Weapons tab - any particular reason? 2. How will random weapon spawns work? Can they spawn any weapon that the character can use? 3. Which masks of Jacket won't have the powers they did in the first game? 4. Will Jacket's Jake mask work like it did in the first game (where thrown weapons rip through enemies) or like Jake's Jake mask did in HM2 (where thrown weapons stop after hitting an enemy)? 5. Can you have a level that uses multiple enemy factions? For example, a level where Manny fights Colombians as well as gang members? 6. Can Jacket fight police? 7. Will Biker be able to fight big guys? Can Evan fight big guys and dogs? 8. Will we be able to use the guns-akimbo "ducking soldier" enemy in Soldier levels? Can we put katana Colombians in levels with Russian mafia? 9. Can you start a level away from the car? Can you end the level without going back to the car? 10. Does the "Rain" environmental effect also include the thunder and lightning?
Sorry for all the questions; just things I've been curious about. Keep up the good work!
1. That's an oversight on my part! Thanks for pointing it out! 2. Yes, that sounds good. 3. Hmm, I can't say on the top of my head. 4. It will work as Jake's mask. 5. No, unfortunately this means you would be able to execute enemies with weapons that they aren't designed for which would crash the game. 6. Don't know for sure yet. But we'll try. 7. Biker will, yes. Evan, nope. 8. Yes, yes. 9. Some characters need to be in their vehicle at start. You can use a cutscene action to trigger level transitions. 10. Not currently no.
If a character can't use all of their weapons against every enemy type they can fight, that might make weapon spawns (including random weapon spawns) a bit troublesome. The weapons you could place would have to depend on which enemy type they were currently fighting. Also, wasn't the Son able to fight guards and Colombians in Blood Money? Will he still be able to fight guards and Colombians at the same time, or only separately?
Two more things I forgot to ask about: 1. Does the cutscene editor allow nonessential interactions? For example, a newspaper you could read if you wanted, but not necessary to end the level. 2. Will there be idle enemies, like the ones who are sitting down or smoking? I'm not sure how much work they'd be to add, but they do a lot to make a level feel realistic.
Also, since you can't remember off the top of your head, I'll just ask... - Does Willem still let you "rip and steal?" - Does Oscar still cause the red and black filter? - Does Jones still give more gore? The only masks which I couldn't imagine getting their powers back would be Rasmus and Phil.
Thanks for the quick update, it certainly re-added some fuel to the hype train! I noticed the "set level borders" option in the tabs, I assume this is to manually set the size of the level. Since this is an option, will we be able to produce floors in size rivaling Stronghold, Casualties, or Takeover? And with placing items and decals, will there be an item limit for optimization purposes? Again, thanks for all of the hard work, hopefully you'll be able to take a break soon! ;)
There's a few kinks with the cutscene editor that need work, and playing through an entire custom campaign is very much WIP. Then there's a bunch of smaller things that need to be addressed and bug tested. And I'm sure there's a couple of things I'm missing.
Yes, you manually set the borders. The levels can be as big as the area you see in the screenshot, basically. Perhaps bigger in a future update. We haven't placed any limits on anything afaik, so keeping things running smoothly will be up to the player. I don't think arbitrary constrictions is the way to go. Yeah, definitely looking forward to taking a break after this thing is done! :)
Btw, any news about custom music? Is it still a no? It's pretty certainly legal to use custom music in a level editor ( And in worst cases I think the level would just be taken down ) and it would make the level editor even better.
Maybe you could add a "List of used musics" that you would have to fill with the tracks and the artists' names if you use custom music and that would show up in the credits and the level's description?
If you can provide any documents with hard facts regarding the use of custom music, I can pass it along to Devolver and ask what they think about it. An alternative for us would be adding offline custom music.
You probably already got this, but Reddit user TheAstroHunter found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act
According to him, "This provides safe harbour for copyrighted content as long as the company (Steam) is unaware directly of it, and there is no profit made from the copyrighted material."
This looks great. Thanks again for putting so much effort into this. I just have a couple of questions. 1) Is there a limit to how many floors/rooms there can be on a level. 2) Can you add more levels into a campaign. Like say if I have several levels completed and ready to be added, but I want to put more in at a later date. 3) I know the answer will most-likely be "Not telling" or something like that but I got to ask anyway. You know, for the community. Any hints for that secret character? Literally the first letter would be enough. Anyway, keep it going. I know you get a lot of shit from some people on social media sites, but I look forward to every tweet or comment that you and Dennis post. Good Luck!
1) Should be a limit of six floors. 2) The campaign editor will be limited but you can load a campaign and append new levels, changing level order must be done manually (no move level functions basically). 3) "Not telling" :) Thanks!
I found this website on music publishing and licensing as I heard that you were having problems on see if custom music could be used. Might as well take a look: http://www.licensequote.com/mlq/music_license_quote.html Also, I know this may not be possible, but you could ask some of the music owners that you've worked with in the past to see if they would allow users to use some of their other music in the level editor. Though the users may have to get the songs themselves, as it would be adding music that they own to be put in a game without receiving any sort of money. But it couldn't hurt to ask.
Are there plans to add a new soundtrack to the editor, like some other unused songs by M|O|O|N or Perturbator, for example? Or maybe some free songs on Bandcamp? idk, it's just a wild idea.
I also have a question regarding the random weapon spawn. Will you be able to disable some certain weapons, like the pan with boiling water? It would be a bit weird to find one of those on the floor, or in a room with no kitchen.
hi, level editor looks great but i have questions 1) can idle enemies smoke, play with weapons, etc when they not fighting the player 2) can i use hawaii background in my levels 3) who can secret character fight? ( probably secret :'( ) 4) will fans, jacket and biker have unmasked sprites
sorry for questions but i hope you answer and i hope you get this done so you can have a rest
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act "This provides safe harbour for copyrighted content as long as the company (Steam) is unaware directly of it, and there is no profit made from the copyrighted material."
Question: Can all of Jackets mask have dialogue? Or will it only be the masks that have used dialogue before, like in abyss? It would be cool to allow all masks to have dialogue
Ohh Damn and I thought I was a big cancer fanboy about the game you are right sorry for my stupidity. PS:Sorry for posting the same thing but I thought I replied you but I didn't
He kinda already asked that. He said that, for this to happen, you have to remake the place you will make the switch, but adding and removing some things that will make your scene change into a "movie" (like in the scene "Caught").
Is there a possibility to design levels similar to the look of Fun & Games from the first game? Like putting a neon colour filter over certain rooms of a level
Hey Cactus! Glad to see an update on the level editor. A couple questions for you:
1. Which factions will Jacket and Biker fight? 2. How will Biker deal with thugs? 3. Is there a limit to the amount of dialogue possible for one cutscene?
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The custom level selection screen looks absolutely gorgeous, good job!
SvaraRaderaWill all the weapons in the gun tab be useable with all characters or will some weapons be restricted from some characters?
They will be restricted to characters who can wield them in the main campaign, unfortunately.
SvaraRaderaThat's a bit of a bummer, but it's still great to see that you are working hard at the level editor. Can't wait for it to be released!
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Radera1. I see that the M16 and the AK-47 are not in the Weapons tab - any particular reason?
SvaraRadera2. How will random weapon spawns work? Can they spawn any weapon that the character can use?
3. Which masks of Jacket won't have the powers they did in the first game?
4. Will Jacket's Jake mask work like it did in the first game (where thrown weapons rip through enemies) or like Jake's Jake mask did in HM2 (where thrown weapons stop after hitting an enemy)?
5. Can you have a level that uses multiple enemy factions? For example, a level where Manny fights Colombians as well as gang members?
6. Can Jacket fight police?
7. Will Biker be able to fight big guys? Can Evan fight big guys and dogs?
8. Will we be able to use the guns-akimbo "ducking soldier" enemy in Soldier levels? Can we put katana Colombians in levels with Russian mafia?
9. Can you start a level away from the car? Can you end the level without going back to the car?
10. Does the "Rain" environmental effect also include the thunder and lightning?
Sorry for all the questions; just things I've been curious about. Keep up the good work!
1. That's an oversight on my part! Thanks for pointing it out!
Radera2. Yes, that sounds good.
3. Hmm, I can't say on the top of my head.
4. It will work as Jake's mask.
5. No, unfortunately this means you would be able to execute enemies with weapons that they aren't designed for which would crash the game.
6. Don't know for sure yet. But we'll try.
7. Biker will, yes. Evan, nope.
8. Yes, yes.
9. Some characters need to be in their vehicle at start. You can use a cutscene action to trigger level transitions.
10. Not currently no.
If a character can't use all of their weapons against every enemy type they can fight, that might make weapon spawns (including random weapon spawns) a bit troublesome. The weapons you could place would have to depend on which enemy type they were currently fighting. Also, wasn't the Son able to fight guards and Colombians in Blood Money? Will he still be able to fight guards and Colombians at the same time, or only separately?
RaderaTwo more things I forgot to ask about:
1. Does the cutscene editor allow nonessential interactions? For example, a newspaper you could read if you wanted, but not necessary to end the level.
2. Will there be idle enemies, like the ones who are sitting down or smoking? I'm not sure how much work they'd be to add, but they do a lot to make a level feel realistic.
Also, since you can't remember off the top of your head, I'll just ask...
Radera- Does Willem still let you "rip and steal?"
- Does Oscar still cause the red and black filter?
- Does Jones still give more gore?
The only masks which I couldn't imagine getting their powers back would be Rasmus and Phil.
Thanks for the quick update, it certainly re-added some fuel to the hype train!
SvaraRaderaI noticed the "set level borders" option in the tabs, I assume this is to manually set the size of the level.
Since this is an option, will we be able to produce floors in size rivaling Stronghold, Casualties, or Takeover? And with placing items and decals, will there be an item limit for optimization purposes?
Again, thanks for all of the hard work, hopefully you'll be able to take a break soon! ;)
There's a few kinks with the cutscene editor that need work, and playing through an entire custom campaign is very much WIP. Then there's a bunch of smaller things that need to be addressed and bug tested. And I'm sure there's a couple of things I'm missing.
SvaraRaderaYes, you manually set the borders. The levels can be as big as the area you see in the screenshot, basically. Perhaps bigger in a future update.
SvaraRaderaWe haven't placed any limits on anything afaik, so keeping things running smoothly will be up to the player. I don't think arbitrary constrictions is the way to go.
Yeah, definitely looking forward to taking a break after this thing is done! :)
Great job there, thanks a lot!
SvaraRaderaBtw, any news about custom music? Is it still a no? It's pretty certainly legal to use custom music in a level editor ( And in worst cases I think the level would just be taken down ) and it would make the level editor even better.
Maybe you could add a "List of used musics" that you would have to fill with the tracks and the artists' names if you use custom music and that would show up in the credits and the level's description?
If you can provide any documents with hard facts regarding the use of custom music, I can pass it along to Devolver and ask what they think about it. An alternative for us would be adding offline custom music.
RaderaMmmh, i'll look around for that, thanks. What exactly would be useful? What kind of facts would help the most?
Radera"offline custom music", what do you mean exactly?
That's a lot of questions i got here, but i really don't wanna drop the idea of using custom music. That would be so sweet.
You probably already got this, but Reddit user TheAstroHunter found this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act
RaderaAccording to him, "This provides safe harbour for copyrighted content as long as the company (Steam) is unaware directly of it, and there is no profit made from the copyrighted material."
Would that help?
This looks great. Thanks again for putting so much effort into this. I just have a couple of questions.
SvaraRadera1) Is there a limit to how many floors/rooms there can be on a level.
2) Can you add more levels into a campaign. Like say if I have several levels completed and ready to be added, but I want to put more in at a later date.
3) I know the answer will most-likely be "Not telling" or something like that but I got to ask anyway. You know, for the community. Any hints for that secret character? Literally the first letter would be enough.
Anyway, keep it going. I know you get a lot of shit from some people on social media sites, but I look forward to every tweet or comment that you and Dennis post.
Good Luck!
1) Should be a limit of six floors.
SvaraRadera2) The campaign editor will be limited but you can load a campaign and append new levels, changing level order must be done manually (no move level functions basically).
3) "Not telling" :)
Thanks!
I found this website on music publishing and licensing as I heard that you were having problems on see if custom music could be used. Might as well take a look: http://www.licensequote.com/mlq/music_license_quote.html
SvaraRaderaAlso, I know this may not be possible, but you could ask some of the music owners that you've worked with in the past to see if they would allow users to use some of their other music in the level editor. Though the users may have to get the songs themselves, as it would be adding music that they own to be put in a game without receiving any sort of money. But it couldn't hurt to ask.
Is it possible for you to add back dialogue choices like at the end of Hotline Miami with the janitors?
SvaraRaderaWon't have time for that, sorry. Maybe in a future update if there's a demand for it.
RaderaSo we're getting very close to release?
RaderaSo we're getting very close to release?
RaderaSo we're getting very close to release?
RaderaWill we be able to give campaigns their own VHS covers that will replace the VHS Palace sprite for that campaign?
SvaraRaderaYes :)
Raderacan you tell me when with go to get the level editor
RaderaNope, sorry
SvaraRaderaThat guy in the 1st picture is new, right? Doesn't look like lil' Jack in his Oscar mask... That looks more like an ornithorhyncus...
SvaraRaderaCould it be the new Character? >.>
Nope, that's just Richter.
RaderaRichter with a new brown mask? '-'
RaderaNo it isn't its just the lighter shade making it look brown
RaderaNo it isn't its just the lighter shade making it look brown
RaderaI agree with tgh.
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SvaraRaderahow do we publish campaigns? trough steam workshop, or a server thing like leaderboards?
SvaraRaderaIn the Steam workshop.
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SvaraRaderaAre there plans to add a new soundtrack to the editor, like some other unused songs by M|O|O|N or Perturbator, for example? Or maybe some free songs on Bandcamp?
SvaraRaderaidk, it's just a wild idea.
I also have a question regarding the random weapon spawn. Will you be able to disable some certain weapons, like the pan with boiling water? It would be a bit weird to find one of those on the floor, or in a room with no kitchen.
SvaraRaderahi, level editor looks great but i have questions
SvaraRadera1) can idle enemies smoke, play with weapons, etc when they not fighting the player
2) can i use hawaii background in my levels
3) who can secret character fight? ( probably secret :'( )
4) will fans, jacket and biker have unmasked sprites
sorry for questions but i hope you answer and i hope you get this done so you can have a rest
1. I think they were making sprites for that
Radera2. you can switch between "city" and "hawaii" backgrounds
3. *Shrug*
4. All except Jacket
Probably I already know the answer for this, but can it be used the fans' drifting van frames?
SvaraRaderahttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_Copyright_Infringement_Liability_Limitation_Act
SvaraRadera"This provides safe harbour for copyrighted content as long as the company (Steam) is unaware directly of it, and there is no profit made from the copyrighted material."
Aprox release date? :)
SvaraRaderaMy hype has returned once more! I have a sketchpad of layouts and story elements just for this.
SvaraRaderaWould we be able to make large level sections (as in Dead Ahead and Takeover)?
SvaraRaderaWill Jacket be able to ill cops?
SvaraRaderaNevermind, that was answered, thanks!
RaderaQuestion: Can all of Jackets mask have dialogue? Or will it only be the masks that have used dialogue before, like in abyss? It would be cool to allow all masks to have dialogue
SvaraRaderaI think he said no, I'm not sure.
RaderaWhat about the sprite editor? Hype restored :'D
SvaraRaderaSprite editor after the release.
RaderaOnce again I ask, any plans on porting the editor to consoles?
SvaraRaderaAlready answered, there is goingt to be level from the communit but you can't use the level editor in the consoles.
RaderaHello! Thank you guys for the quick update. I have a question, will we be able to upload or download levels to the Steam Workshop? Thanks =)
SvaraRaderaYes that's how it works.
RaderaExcellent update... Will I be able to spawn the teenagers in the tutorial on a Pig Butcher level?
SvaraRaderaTenagers?
RaderaThat 5 "enemy" guys of the Midnight Animal scene.
RaderaI think that it won't be able, since just one of the 5 fights back properly (by killing the protagonist)
Yeah I don't think they are teenagers in the comics they seem like adults.
RaderaThe teenagers aren't from the comics, man. The comic tells about a normal house that was raided by the Pigbutcher.
RaderaA prove from that is that the house has 3-4 people, while in-game has 6, 7 if you count our dreaming actor, Martin Brown.
Ohh Damn and I thought I was a big cancer fanboy about the game you are right sorry for my stupidity.
RaderaPS:Sorry for posting the same thing but I thought I replied you but I didn't
No probs, man. :D
RaderaHow will the level editor be handled in the GOG version? Obviously it can't use steam workshop, can it?
SvaraRaderaI guess yu can download them in reddit but I don't know, I'm just guessing.
SvaraRaderaDayum this looks so awsome O_o
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SvaraRaderaHey cactus, will you be able to switch scenes like in manny's nightmare (after talking to the puppet you switch to reality)
SvaraRaderathanks in advance good luck with the level editor! :-)
He kinda already asked that. He said that, for this to happen, you have to remake the place you will make the switch, but adding and removing some things that will make your scene change into a "movie" (like in the scene "Caught").
RaderaIs there a possibility to design levels similar to the look of Fun & Games from the first game?
SvaraRaderaLike putting a neon colour filter over certain rooms of a level
Screenshot?
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SvaraRaderacan you tell me when with go to get the level editor
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Raderawhat
RaderaFollow he.
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RaderaLol I mean ue commas please, mot always but when is really necessary.
SvaraRaderaDamn it, my keyboard is not pretty good let me correct some words I wanted to said:
Radera*use
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That's all, I think.
Hey Cactus! Glad to see an update on the level editor. A couple questions for you:
SvaraRadera1. Which factions will Jacket and Biker fight?
2. How will Biker deal with thugs?
3. Is there a limit to the amount of dialogue possible for one cutscene?
can you tell me when with go to get the level editor so i can play it
SvaraRaderaWhat does that question means?
Raderathe hammer will be a melee or a trowable weapon for jacket ?
SvaraRaderaI think the hammer is just for the Pig Butcher.
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